Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Can Jerry Sadowitz do that?

I had a video online over at The Daily Card Trick. Jerry Sadowitz wrote me an email wishing that I remove the video, as it is material that he uses. I set the video to private so basically nobody could see it. Jerry Sadowitz seemed OK with that compromise. Now the video is removed due to a copyright claim by Jerry Sadowitz.

Here is the thing. It was me in the video, not Jerry. The material although based on his effect had alterations. By alterations I mean I changed the whole damn method. So basically nothing save the effect is by Jerry Sadowitz.

As much as I like the man, I do have trouble believing he can simply take down my content. Thoughts?

EDIT: OK I got things worked out, turns out this was a case of "weird" timing. Jerry filed the copyright complaint against my video, before contacting me. But I got the information from YouTube after both of us had reached an agreement. It took him a while to get my email address. Within ten day my video should be back. But I am going to respect his wishes and make the video unavailable to almost everyone.

35 comments:

Trickster said...

Sounds pretty crap to me. I've never net Sadowitz and based on what I've heard I have little desire too.
I'd be fighting him on this one as a matter of principal and put the arrogant fuck back in his place.
Step 1) Ask him to prove said copyright, I'm betting he can't
Step 2) File a counter claim with YouTube asking them to prove his copyright. When they can't it will be the end of his days being able to pull crap like this as they will have him tagged for false copyright claims.

*cue Darkstar with some DMCA crap and most likely a pot shot at Tim*

Andrew Musgrave said...

Doesn't sound like that should be possible, so I think technically he might have gotten away with one there. Legally he shouldn't have the ability to do that.

It might be worth respecting his wishes anyway -- he's long been protective of his work in ways that other magicians aren't. It's pretty old school.

Tomsk192 said...

Was this an experiment on your part? You do know, and I know you and everyone else knows, that he doesn't like this sort of thing.

But.. Why not send your method to Richard Kaufman, and see if Genii will publish it? Mwah ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaargh.....

Barry Solayme said...

Seems to be a shame that Jerry can take stuff down, when Doc Eason is pissed at the following MARKETED trick being EXPOSED, and YouTube makes this dildo a PARTNER:

http://www.thecardtrickteacher.com/card-trick-video.php?v=10794

Roland? I thought you rated Doc Eason?

Trickster said...

Andrew, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but are you saying he should be allowed to bully people and lie about legal copyright just because he has a reputation for being protective and "old school"?

It looks to me like he is behaving like a complete twat and is way to wrapped up in his own importance and believes he has some sort of right to dictate to other people about what they can say and do.

It cracked me up when he accused Smiling Mule of stealing his writing style LOL, and apparently no one is allowed to voice opinions that are the same as his opinions. Let's see him try a copyright claim on an opinion or a writing style. What an ass.

Tomsk192 said...

ps What trick was it you did? (if that information doesn't infringe your inside leg measurement, Mr Sadowitz?)

Roland said...

Well it was the Thank's to Hofzinser routine. A marvelous piece of magic.

Tomsk192 said...

Oh man. And he objected? Well... Jerry, if you're listening, we love your magic. What's this THE FUCK about?

Barry Solayme said...

As regards Hofzinser: I taught that Austro-Hungarian bozo every goddam thing he knew. So Sadowitz's trick is, in fact, MY PROPERTY!!! You have my full permission to publish and be damned. It's just a tricksy variation on MY idea.

BS

Andrew Musgrave said...

"Andrew, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but are you saying he should be allowed to bully people and lie about legal copyright just because he has a reputation for being protective and "old school"?"

That's not what I'm saying at all. My understanding is that when he sells his stuff, he feels it's meant for the magician he sells it to and that magician's audience alone. It's not how myself nor 99% of the magicians I know go about it, but I can still respect it.

It's essentially a step up from my own experience studying under my mentor. He hasn't mass published anything. If I were to turn around and start putting out his stuff, it would be a departure from the way he wants to go -- namely, to have potential students come directly to him.

Keep in mind that it's not just respectful to the creator to honour their wishes this way, but also the students who might have bought into this as well. If I purchased a book from somebody on the agreement that the material not be shared in any way with other magicians, and somebody else bought that same book, and didn't honour that agreement, then not only does the book's writer get screwed, but the faithful customers do as well.

Trickster said...

Thanks Andrew, I am curious tho', who is Jerry to decide who that audience is? If he sells it then he should accept the reality that people are going to perform it, and he has no right to dictate to whom they perform it.
Your mentor is a different story as he has not mass published anything, where as Jerry has, regardless of his posturing about being select, he still takes the money and sells the effects, so trying to retain rights as to where people perform it just shows what a truly pompous ass he really is.

At what point is it changed enough to actually use it? Roland stated he had changed it quite dramatically. It sounds like Jerry is trying to stop any one from ever showing anything that he might have had some influence on.
I'm starting to think that he publishes for nothing more than the money and a feeling of self importance. Good skills no not make up for being a twat.

Justin said...

While I can't justify Jerry's reasoning to any real degree (other than he's always been like this) I will say that saying Jerry publishes for money and self-importance is the furthest thing from the truth.

Trickster said...

I did say I was "starting" to think that Justin, and if he is going to be silly about people actually performing the stuff, why else publish?

Andrew Musgrave said...

Not knowing Jerry, I can't say for certain exactly what he's thinking or why he does what he does. I can only speculate.

That said, there's something refreshing about an old-school attitude where magicians have to work to see things, and creators do what they can to make sure not just any other magician can see the work.

According to a book on rope magic whose title I forget and am too lazy to look up, back in the day, UF Grant had a rope trick he'd never do around magicians. The description of that rope trick that regular people would make trumped most traditional cut and restored ropes could do. If magicians saw it, maybe they'd see the method straight away. Instead, he made sure to frustrate them for as long as he could. That rope trick has a significant feature that most methods allow for. I don't know how good it looked, and in all likelihood the descriptions of it were far more flattering than what was going on. That said, a hopeful imagination could easily picture a miracle.

I like this sort of thing very much. It's frustrating, but with all this information we have so much easy access to, it's nice to think that some things are still unattainable.

Andrew Musgrave said...

Incidentally, I want to make it clear that I think Roland's DCT project is fantastic, and that it really sucks if he put work into a video only to have it taken down.

The Smiling Mule said...

Just make sure you don't swear in your blog, he'll claim you stole that too.

Patrick Lehnen said...

Hm. Wenn er nett fragt, ist das ne Sportsgeist sache, wie man damit umgeht. Man diskutiert es ordentlich aus und einigt sich. Da hast du dir so wie es klingt nix vorzuwerfen.
Wenn er dann aber den kompromiss akzeptiert, darüber hinaus aber dann doch hintenrum über Youtube sperren lässt ist das nicht mehr freundschaftlich - das ist krieg.
Und ich an deiner Stelle würde die Herausforderung annehmen, und gleiches mit gleichem bekämpfen. Das wieder also wieder aktivieren, einspruch erheben, und sogar online lassen, und bloß seinen Namen entfernen, bzw nur noch Initialen da lassen.

Roland said...

Alright, here is what I did. I wrote a counter complain. Let's see what will become of that.

darkstar said...

I kinda of relate to what Sadowitz is trying to say.

Remember I made a whopping 2 videos one night, simply for fun, nothing more.

Sure enough the guy that parodies my site copied the video, over dubbed the audio, and left it up.

Here's the thing in my world. I only wanted those videos to be up for 24 hours. I HIGHLY believe that most card magic is indirect exposure when it's put on video and can be played over and over at youtube.

Thus. Though my wishes were to put something up for a mere 24 hours with a mild point we all could learn from, it was copied and linked by dick heads like Tim Ellis.

Point blank is the magic world is full of assholes. I don't think Jerry is trying to be one. I assume he's just had many bad experiences somewhat in the realm of my piddly story.

I can't blame the guy for thinking card magic isn't in it's best form on youtube.

I enjoy it like the next guy, yet I understand both sides. It's a battle I can see most of us being divided about when it all boils down.

I get amused imagining the court case of such. Talk about a room full of guys that are proving their life has been void in some manner.

I'm far from against what Roland is doing...But my "clan" keeps our vids private.

Trickster said...

Yep, right on cue, Darkstar exhibits his double standard for people making fake copyright claims and gets in a dig at Tim. You're just too predictable Darkstar.
So how about getting all up in arms about Jerry making those fake copyright claims, or is lying and bullshit acceptable from people you like?

darkstar said...

I believe you misinterpreted. Copyright wasn't my lock on. Rather indirect exposure and being split in the middle of basic performances online.

Trickster said...

Oh no, I didn't misinterpret, I actually pre called it in my first comment.
Why aren't you carrying on about Jerry falsely using copyright claims to get stuff taken down when you carried on like it was the end of the free world when others did it?
I could refer you to your rants regarding Tim and Craig and all your DMCA stuff but I suspect you remember it very well.
Your refusal to treat this the same way shows how truly hypocritical you really are.
Obviously those you respect are judged by different standards, how very convenient.

darkstar said...

Still not at all what I wrote. Your off in another galaxy grabbIng roots popping estrogen pills and being a little too emotional.
I wonder if this guy brags about his tampon size how most guys brag about how big their cock is.

Read slow. You may be....you know...kinda making an ass of yourself.

Tomsk192 said...

Um, I think maybe Jerry is concerned about intellectual property? Rightly or, possibly, wrongly. It's called a moot point. The exposers who really get on my tits are the ones who leave comments underneath clips of good performances saying "check out the double lift at 1:09 lol". Maybe that is another issue too.
Being a hermaphrodite I have a huge cock and my cunt is deeper than the San Andreas fault.

Justin said...

You sound like my kind of person!

darkstar said...

Tom,

Are you never lonely on Friday nights?

We should think about having chicks with dicks night Roland.

Tomsk192 said...

For the right price.... I love you longtime...

Trickster said...

So to divert attention from my questions and your obvious hypocrisy, you resort to silly vulgar insults.

You have a history of ragging on people who file copyright claims false or otherwise and you know it full well. You're a gutless hypocrite with nothing but vulgar insults to hide behind.

darkstar said...

Wrong again. Your like a bad cold reader going by the "make a miss a maybe" rule.

Keep pounding your chest. Its amusing to me.

Trickster said...

So are you saying you haven't ranted about copyright and DMCA claims Darkstar?

Just keeping hiding behind your lame insults, your aversion to answering directly says as much as any answer you could offer.

darkstar said...

I'd rather toy with you more. Your the" be a man and enter FISM" guy. Classic.

Personally you amuse me like a toy. The sum of your comments here are worth stretching as far as possible. The first in conjunction to the ends, with your I win mentality are fun. Soon I'll get bored and get 100 points for Slyherin.

Trickster said...

And I enjoy watching you try to change the topic and continue to insult me as you desperately try to avoid my question.
You have no reason for your blatant hypocrisy and you know it.

You're sport to me now, just as you were when you cried and whinged like a baby about the comments on your blog (the blame for which you laid at the wrong person's feet). You couldn't handle getting a bit of crap in return for the tripe you were dishing out. You're a weak and predictable hypocrite who hides behind pseudo intellectual crap and vulgar insults.

darkstar said...

Keep going. Your winning and all.

Trickster said...

Oh I won the moment you chimed in as I predicted and any doubt was removed when you resorted to vulgar insults to deflect from your hypocrisy.
Thanks for playing, it was fun, better luck next time.

darkstar said...

Can we get just a little more?