Thursday, March 21, 2013

Can anyone...

...do a convincing Pop-Up move with balls? Every single version that I have come across that teach/show the move (Danny Archer, Johnny Thompson) do it in a very unconvincing manner. It just looks like a move. Is this one of those moves that simply has no place in the real world? And don't tell me that it it fly right by layman. So does a French Drop. And I dare to say that the French Drop is the worst of all transfers. So have you seen anybody doing the Pop-Up Move and it didn't feel awkward?

14 comments:

Sean Giles said...

Al Schneider does it pretty good with coins. haven't seen him using balls though...

Andrew Musgrave said...

Any way you can substitute the Double Steal? It looks good and is more convincing (in my opinion).

Gershon said...

I agree with you (as always). The pop up move looks very bad, even in good hands.
It telegraphs "move".
Marlo's roll up (double steal) when done properly is a thing of beauty.
It is completely natural looking and the dirty work is invisible.
Roth popularized it in his 3 ball routine. I am certain if more magicians were aware of this move the pop up would have never showed up.

Roland said...

Alright I did some googling... Where can I find Marlo's "bevel roll up" move?

steve t said...

As Gershon mentioned David roth has Marlo's roll up in his lecture notes.Also
L& L has published stars of magic dvd and volume 9 has David roth doing the move.Please cheak it out its a piece of beauty Also as a bonus Roth explains a brief history of the move.If stars of magic series is not availabe its in the worlds greatest 3 ball trick Dvd by L&L.Please PM me for any other information

Nicholas said...

Go to 7:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6y4VPguBy8
That the move you are talking about?

Roland said...

I see, that is the Pop-Up move alright. But even in the hands of the legend that is Dai Vernon the move looks like a move.

Nicholas said...

I actually remember seeing Schneider's coins across with that move when I was still a layperson, fooled me like crazy... But that is the only place I have seen it and have liked it.

barthez36663 said...

Why do you thing french drop is the worst transfer? Ialways use it and it works so well. I Just want to know your opinion

The Smiling Mule said...

then you haven't seen it in good hands...

Lance said...

You haven't really defined your terms on what problems exist with the pop-up move and what looks like a move and what doesn't, but I think that a lot of times magicians just don't think it through. Try this short vid (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2203251/ThreeBlindDice.mp4) and if the pop-up looks movey, we can try to dissect why, and if not, we can try to figure out why not.

Thanks,


Lance

terran said...

great little routine Lance :)

Roland said...

Yeah I forgot to answer... this was seriously the best version I have seen so far. It still is unnatural to put stuff in your fist like this, but at least it does look convincing.

Lance said...

Thanks, terran. It's mostly Vernon...

Roland, I think this may be overextending the meaning of "natural" a bit. It's certainly not natural to do many of the actions we do, but just because something isn't common doesn't make it unnatural. Vernon once explained (in a sense) that what's natural is what fits the context. So, in a case like the pop-up move, instead of asking, "Is this natural?" we might ask, "Does this establish the conviction we need that what it looks like is what's actually happening?" If a move completely convinces the audience that things are how we want them to believe, we can accept some uncommon things to varying degrees.