tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post458762456779376551..comments2023-10-21T01:39:23.816-07:00Comments on The Weekly Magic Failure: Did you know? I sure didn't!Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17576878560719571873noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-21175704099632758292010-05-13T08:20:16.679-07:002010-05-13T08:20:16.679-07:00@Nick, Please don't assume that I don't fe...@Nick, Please don't assume that I don't feel bad for the exposure. I do. I feel a great deal of guilt, and it is in no means just because I got caught. <br /><br />When the videos were filmed I didn't think it was exposure, but that's where I was wrong. <br /><br />Believe me, I have a better understanding of that now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686057788093167852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-76390028112764364782010-05-13T06:37:50.149-07:002010-05-13T06:37:50.149-07:00Out of his whole response I love this sentence:
&...Out of his whole response I love this sentence:<br /><br />"Despite the card material being available in the public library, it was wrong to put it out there in a form that is viewable for free."<br /><br />So he knew everything besides the card material was exposure.<br /><br />Also, he is still subtly trying to argue that it isn't exposure since you can get it for free at a library.<br /><br />I see remorse and guilt for being caught, not for exposure. Especially since he is still quietly arguing that it isn't.<br /><br />However I am without a doubt the forgive and forget type. I dont care much, and I will use this as a learning device for myself. He obviously learned his lesson the hard way and stuck with it to overcome this, so in my book that means he's proven to be highly devote to the art.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18404857624687160650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-46857747995818279392010-05-12T02:39:12.466-07:002010-05-12T02:39:12.466-07:00This blog is nothing but a modern day version of a...This blog is nothing but a modern day version of a good old witch hunt. Hunting down a member of our community who did not obey the laws the members of the magic community have set for themselves. And that is a good thing. But burning them on a bonfire is a bit out of date. Especially since Wayne has tried to fix his errors BEFORE this blog even existed.<br /><br />He cannot take down the video, he would like to have them taken down; ExpertVillage is to blame. Not true for all those YouTube exposers who could take down their videos if they wanted to.<br /><br />This matter could have been resolved years ago with much less harm being done than today, because a single stupid man was unable to get rid of the sins of the past.<br /><br />I am saying this because I have my own corpses in the basement. I tried covering them, but sometimes they come back. So I know what Wayne has been and is going through.<br /><br />That doesn't mean we should forgive him, no... but a constant reminder is less effective than taking down the fucking videos. And that should be the goal here, minimizing damage than pointing fingers. (although there is nothing wrong with finger pointing to start with)<br /><br />So here is my question, do magicians have there own Chuck Norris to fix things, or must we move our own lazy ass?Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576878560719571873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-49655952219325513242010-05-12T00:01:38.903-07:002010-05-12T00:01:38.903-07:00I don't want to stir a fight here. Thats why ...I don't want to stir a fight here. Thats why I deleted my last statement, but I do want to point a few things out here in my own defense. My reply is aimed mostly at Trickster's comments, and I'll quote so there is no confusion.<br /><br />1. "Wayne made a choice, it back fired on him and now he wants the slate cleared because of his so called remorse. " <br />-No I don't want the slate cleared. I want the mistake to remain, so others can learn from it. To clear the slate I feel would send the wrong message. It's not okay to expose magic, and that should be one of the lessons learned from this.<br /><br />2. "Perhaps if he had voiced that remorse before he was hounded by the magic community it might be different, but it seems his remorse is about the damage it has done to his career and reputation more than anything else, or perhaps it's just coincidence that his remorse was so neatly timed to come out after it went bad for him."<br />-No actually, I had made several apologies once this entire thing blew up a year ago, going on two now. This isn't a new subject, it's one that I've had to deal with over and over.<br /><br />3. "As I said, his remorse may actually be sincere, but his word is no where near enough proof" No you're right. But it's all I <b>can</b> do for the moment. As I said, in time I'm going to have to rely on my actions speaking louder for my words. But for now, I think that letter serves as a good down payment.<br /><br />4. "Let's also not forget that he wasn't some dumb kid, he was a grown adult" Nope, your right. I wasn't a dumb kid, I was a dumb adult. Although there are those who would argue that a mid twenties is no better than a late teen, but that is philosophical, and you don't strike me to be that type. The bottom line is children, and adults share something in common; they both can make mistakes. Age is irrelevant, what is important is if you can learn from them.<br /><br />Look I can tell you want to crucify me. I'm not saying I was right. I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is I paid a steep price for my mistake, a mistake that continues to haunt me to this day. This is something that I think will be a project to overcome in the years to follow. I just don't know exactly what more you want from me, or expect me to do.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686057788093167852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-69538911119983309672010-05-11T22:57:02.522-07:002010-05-11T22:57:02.522-07:00@trickster
I just wanted to chime in here on ...@trickster<br /><br /> I just wanted to chime in here on a couple of points. <br /><br /><b>As I said, his remorse may actually be sincere, but his word is no where near enough proof, I wouldn't rely on it, would you?</b><br /><br />At least based on what I've seen of him on Theory11, I'm confident that he will no longer make such a mistake. Of course, I don't know him personally, but the guy is more serious about performing good magic than you give him credit for.<br />I think this exposure thing was just a stupid mistake like he says.<br /><br /><b>Let's also not forget that he wasn't some dumb kid, he was a grown adult, doing payed gigs and mature enough to move to California to "make a name for himself", which he did, by big noting himself online with exposure videos.</b><br /><br />He admits all this in his letter. Maybe you can forget and forgive this transgression just this once? I mean if such a thing happens again, by all means bring out the pitchforks, but are you really unwilling to give a second chance?<br /><br />I'm impressed with Roland for seeing that it is not constructive to permanently demonize someone for an old mistake.<br /><br />I'm also impressed with Draven both for his apology and the fact that he has learned from his mistake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-90207552440261038872010-05-11T22:22:34.115-07:002010-05-11T22:22:34.115-07:00Hmmm, a guy makes exposure videos, and you blame t...Hmmm, a guy makes exposure videos, and you blame those who host them? Should we forgive all the others and blame YouTube then?<br />Wayne made a choice, it back fired on him and now he wants the slate cleared because of his so called remorse. Perhaps if he had voiced that remorse before he was hounded by the magic community it might be different, but it seems his remorse is about the damage it has done to his career and reputation more than anything else, or perhaps it's just coincidence that his remorse was so neatly timed to come out after it went bad for him.<br /><br />As I said, his remorse may actually be sincere, but his word is no where near enough proof, I wouldn't rely on it, would you?<br />Maybe Wayne can find a way to be a force for good in magic and over time people may think differently about him and even forgive him, but that can't happen based solely on some letter he has written.<br /><br />Let's also not forget that he wasn't some dumb kid, he was a grown adult, doing payed gigs and mature enough to move to California to "make a name for himself", which he did, by big noting himself online with exposure videos.Tricksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18267229140734432283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-35662285990987499502010-05-11T19:24:51.713-07:002010-05-11T19:24:51.713-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686057788093167852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-44747698653617422472010-05-11T19:04:34.508-07:002010-05-11T19:04:34.508-07:00well I do make a difference between fucking up and...well I do make a difference between fucking up and trying to fix it and fucking up and not giving a damn.<br /><br />Technically speaking it is ExperVillage who host the videos and not Wayne Phelps. (unlike Dirk Losander)<br /><br />I tend to take back the title WMF once the issue that I rant about is fixed. (see chris Brown, Bill Abbott or Steven Warren)<br /><br />I agree that this particular matter is a somewhat grey area I have stumbled across. I am not sure what to do, as demonizing someone who is openly remorseful is not really a constructive path.<br /><br />And believe it or not I try to be constructive. Wayne Phelps is a bad example for other magicians and as such he should be treated. I agree on that part.<br /><br />But imagine we could help Wayne to get those videos taken off ExpertVillage. That would be constructive.Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576878560719571873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-46313945011002137422010-05-11T18:34:50.884-07:002010-05-11T18:34:50.884-07:00I have to agree with Trickster's comment...too...I have to agree with Trickster's comment...too little, too late. No matter what name he goes by, he is still a Weekly (and yearly, for that matter) Magic Failure.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286534988556805392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8614376202473604721.post-20598008791600779892010-05-11T17:16:04.604-07:002010-05-11T17:16:04.604-07:00Screw that, he's a WMF without a doubt. All hi...Screw that, he's a WMF without a doubt. All his statement says is that he was desperate to get known when he was a few years younger and prostituted himself and his art to the guys with a cheque book and a bit of cash.<br />Had he not been harassed by the magic community I doubt he would ever have been sorry or apologized, he'd have just lapped up the fame and attention, and probably produced a few more videos.<br />It's so easy to say sorry now, when it has all blown up in his face, but I have doubts about his sincerity, is he only sorry because it got him in trouble?<br /><br />I'm not saying he isn't sorry, but I have no proof that he really is, and if he is, I would question why exactly.Tricksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18267229140734432283noreply@blogger.com